What's in our future fisheries?

The times are changing! So why not consider changing the way that we all view and manage our fisheries? What's the pro's and what's the con's of both? Let's try to think about our future fisheries....and not the past

Who's first?

Ban hooks, and let the commercials capture all the excess hatchery fish in purse seines.

That's my idea, anyway.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Not really.

I have a spin on Todd's idea. It's called "work for fish". I give up my hooks and unemployment for a near zero mortality rate harvest method (whatever method), that lets me subcontract the task of hatchery fish removal at a professional level. A sort of Hatchery Landing Agent , or HLA, if you will........ :11: :26: :94:

Given the new authority to run all fisheries as Czar:

I'd castrate every distant fishery that can harvest their fish in terminal areas, and make them do so. I'd run a sting on The Gorton Fishermen :61: and put Jacobson, Owens, Konehead, Englund, LeFluer, Larry, and Norman, in shackles on I-5 encouraging everyone to drive by and throw food at them.

I'd also take Gray's harbor along with the Cowlitz and make the **** out of hatchery fish from the remaining made-up native stock. I'd have SAFE area's exclusive to ALL harvesters, so we can truly segregate hatchery fisheries from native or wild runs.


I'd resume nuclear arms testing. The first test bomb would be strapped to the AHA, it's inventor, and all who have used it. :22:



I better stop there. For now.


.....and fish weirs. .:17:

cowlitzfisherman wrote:

Let's try to think about our future fisheries....and not the past

i dont think they look to good, if this new fangled commercial method harvest`s the hatchery fish that are extra at the river mouth sportfishing above it will suck, this following is from the CCA website,

In some Washington rivers, excess hatchery strays exceed the HSRG guidelines by more than 200 percent.

Unused returns of hatchery fish can also represent a waste of public resources.

For example, nearly 75,000 surplus hatchery coho returned to the Cowlitz River hatchery last year alone.

If we fail to harvest commercially these fish more efficiently, the likely alternative to address the level of hatchery straying is to cut hatchery production, which would have a profound effect on recreational, commercial and tribal fisheries.

lets say this scenario happened and the commercials new method harvested 50,000 of these fish at the mouth, doesnt anyone but a few of us think this will effect sportfishing ??, why would any cowlitz guide with 1/2 a brain support this ??

I guess either way you look at it it's a loss for recreational fishermen. If you cut production, we lose. If the cowboy's harvest equals the amount a loss in production will, we lose.

Mitchell Act mitigation on the Columbia will not allow for the fear tactic of "if we don't have commercials, we won't have hatchery fish!" to actually happen...

Fish on...

Todd

The future of fisheries is so damn cloudy. A forced coversion to another method could bankrupt the commercial fishery which would yield unbelievable dividends to those that earn from recreational fisheries.

Then again it could simply shift and concentrate power and infuence to a brand new commercial group. Maybe one forged in the image of the banker fish wheelers of the bygone era.

The whole bet is worth flippin' a pure silver 1966 JFK half dollar on.

And that's about all its worth. The cards will fall as they may.

LOF wrote:The cards will fall as they may.

Where would our efforts be best placed (as responsible stewards), LOF? Or, do you contend that any effort is futal?

Hairlipangler wrote:

Or, do you contend that any effort is futal?

i do, everything points to going selective for everything and living happily ever after.

Hairlipangler wrote:

Where would our efforts be best placed (as responsible stewards), LOF? Or, do you contend that any effort is futal?

I don't contend that. I contend that trying to remake hatchery populations into wild populations is a fool's errand.

Unbroken ancient wild genetic lineages of salmon on the CR have few precious personal standards. For Chinook and coho you can use about five fingers to tally them.

That is where the efforts should be placed. "Finding" somthing to pour funds into (like the Grays tules) is only going to do one thing. It is going to pinch fisheries or elimate fishing outright if it is demonstrated that no poductivity value can be attained.

An unexpected (pleasant)surprise, that's not the answer I thought you'd give.

BASS

tournaments and stupid looking shirts

boater wrote:The most critical remaining scientific unknown associated with hatchery fish is their long-term reproductive success in the wild and whether hatchery fish can successfully contribute long-term to rebuilding natural populations. Considerable research is currently being directed at answering this question, but it will take years to resolve

http://www.ogc.doc.gov/ogc/legreg/testimon/109f/Lohn052405.htm

Years to resolve? Let’s see. Late 1800s-2009 massive artificial production. Natural production did only one thing over the same span of time. It rode a negative trend line.

130 years and it will still take years to resolve the question of whether or not the pressures of artificial selection have remade salmon in a new image? One that’s grossly deficient at completing the salmonid life cycle completely in the natural environment (short of the natural environment mimicking the hatchery environment).

Hatchery salmon require that we make them. Just look at the Grays River tules. Turn off the artificial production spigot and adult production is cast from Eden.

This apple’s skin was broken eons ago. Men and salmon made a solemn oath. Slowly but surely it is Men now that are beginning to break that pledge.

Ending hatchery production today is unbelievable irony and it is a supreme anachronism.

Linked Overhead Fire wrote:

The cards will fall as they may.

thats true, i`m to the point now of just saying fuk it