Hatchery Reform Policy and the cowlitz river ?

bob, how is this going to effect the cowlitz ??

I think that the HSRG wants to screw the Cowlitz River and her fisheries!!

After reading Tacoma's FTC minutes, it makes one want to ......

FTC mintues.....

Agenda Item: AHA Technical Team Update
Presenter: Mark LaRiviere
Mark reported the AHA technical team is finished with spring Chinook and will work on
coho at its next meeting. They hope to have two meetings in May so they can go over
all the species. John Barr will give an update at the June FTC meeting. It will be a broad
brush rather than species-by-species report and will discuss different hatchery
objectives such as using the hatchery for conservation only, what would it look like to
manage to HSRG standards and focusing on recovery of listed species. The FTC will
have flexibility to mix and match different objectives.

John Barr runs the HSRG!!!

There is a thread over at I Fish that is also addressing this issue. I have given them some food for thought!
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=2603752#post2603752

who`s going to the meeting on the 10th ?

cowlitzfisherman wrote:There is a thread over at I Fish that is also addressing this issue. I have given them some food for thought!
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=2603752#post2603752

looks like your girlfriend had to chime in :09:

i just looked thru this thread over there,

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=256353

i`d like to know something, if these clowns dont believe the steelhead handle that the gillnetters are reporting are they going to believe the same people if they go to another method will less release mortality in reporting the steelhead handle numbers ?

I think that issue was one of UG's main points. It's amazing how well the WDFW has worked to reduce the tangle net mortality. Equally amazing is how the WDFW has worked to increase the recreational mortality.

Regardless of that biased sentiment, the most aggravating aspect is that neither are correct. Both are as influenced by politics, as much as they are science. With expiration rates set so high, fitness falling like a .com stock, what do you think the cost of those mortality errors really are? You think it helps recovery?

To be honest, when you look at the myriad of ways our mortality model assesses more mortality for recreational fishing, it's not so much the fact they're present, but how absent the additional mortality factors are for setting the commercial mortality rate.

Let's face it, if you put the nets in safe areas, none of it matters really. Lets hope future tangle net fisheries don't get the chance to fish the mainstream.

Hairlipangler wrote:

You think it helps recovery?

can you post a link to the recovery plan your referencing ?

whats going to make my day is when sports go selective on the columbia for fall chinook and the non-tribal gillnets are still in the water keeping upriver brights for the next 10 years while the wdfw conduct there study of new methods, hairlip, do you think there will ever come a day when the only group using gillnets is the tribes ??, i dont, that would be like opening a door to protest city and i dont ever think we will get to that point.

cowlitzfisherman wrote:

I think that the HSRG wants to screw the Cowlitz River and her fisheries!!

how many less fish do they want to plant

hairlip, do you think there will ever come a day when the only group using gillnets is the tribes ??, i don't, that would be like opening a door to protest city and i don't ever think we will get to that point.

I get the recovery point. I think tangle/gill nets are always going to be around as a useful harvest tool. They catch fish real good. Have to get'em off the spawning beds, gotta harvest the brats. We can't do it. I expect both tribal and non-tribal will continue to use them, and other methods, that remove more brats with less wild mortality. It all depends on when, where, and how.

But this isn't really about tangle nets. It's about the failure to calculate the realistic mortality rate of tangle nets. Every time we call the bullshit proposed by agencies with commercial bias, it's a step forward. The best part of all of it, is the policies corrupted by the agencies will be challenged, overturned, and corrected because of real science. In theory anyways.

Hairlipangler wrote: They catch fish real good. Have to get'em off the spawning beds, gotta harvest the brats. We can't do it.

Why sure we can!!!

We sport fishers put so many damn many stupid ass rules upon our self's that that simply prevents us from harvesting them, rules i.e., barb hook restrictions, single hook, restrictions, bait bans, limits of hooks, limits on fish, rods, gear, boats, time, more conservation, and the damn list is almost endless! Yet each and every year we will continue to introduce more stupid dumb rules that restrict our opportunity to harvest even more of these fish all in the name of trying to save a few wild fish or in "fair" sportsmanship! We are our own worse enemy, believe me!

The only way we sporties could even scratch the surface of hatchery stocks like the Cowlitz coho or spring Chinook in the Columbia would be with C-4, no ESA limitations, and a four month season...

Fish on...

Todd

Todd wrote:

The only way we sporties could even scratch the surface of hatchery stocks like the Cowlitz coho or spring Chinook in the Columbia would be with C-4, no ESA limitations, and a four month season...

Fish on...

Todd

would you rather fish the cowlitz river for fall coho when its full of fish or would you rather fish it if it had a fish trap at the mouth taking all of the hatchery surplus fish out of the system ?

I'd rather not fish it at all, if you really want to know the truth

Hairlipangler wrote:

I think tangle/gill nets are always going to be around as a useful harvest tool. They catch fish real good. Have to get'em off the spawning beds, gotta harvest the brats. We can't do it. I expect both tribal and non-tribal will continue to use them, and other methods, that remove more brats with less wild mortality. It all depends on when, where, and how.

if we let them use gillnets and tangle nets and "other" methods to remove more of the same fish we are fishing for we will deserve the shitty sportfishing that we get in return

Todd wrote:

I'd rather not fish it at all, if you really want to know the truth

ya but alot of people like to, i could hear the comments now if a group like the cca holds a coho derby on the cowlitz after a fish trap was put at the mouth of the river, some of them would say, "gee the traps got 30 thousand hatchery coho this week and i cant understand why the fishing has slowed down :09: