Poachers on Cedar Creek

Todd wrote:Here's a video of some total tools poaching up Gary's Cedar Creek coho...clipped, not surprisingly...they must rub their adipose fins off trying to get out of the hatch boxes

Fish on...

Todd

I am also going to push for a maximum leader length size like 40" or whatever.
There is one and only one purpose only for 8'-10' leaders.

The argument that they are just extra hatchery fish is lame.

Many a good location has been ruined by the flossers, giggers, rippers, snaggers, whatever you prefer to call them.

There have been many a spot on the Cow, Toutle and Kalama that I can catch fish legitamately and legally but have got ripped off by these low life so-called sportsmen.

I often times can't legitamately fish eggs drifted or bobbered, or toss plugs or spinners because these outlaws are illegally plunking their lead and hooks line bumping.

But there are others that have no interest in doing it the right and legal way and just want to line bump em. This is sad and I'm shocked that you choose to defend their low life illegal outlaw methodology.

They issued 55 citations during a single sting opperation last year at the mouth of the Toutle.
Snagging, failure to document their catch, no license/tag, retaining unmarked fish, etc.
Shut it down at night!

The argument that they are just extra hatchery fish is lame.
There are wild fish involved also which would include wild coho headed for the Olequa and other spawning areas and wild chinook that are being "ripped" also.

Many a good location has been ruined by the flossers, giggers, rippers, snaggers, whatever you prefer to call them.
There have been many a spot on the Cow, Toutle and Kalama that I can catch fish legitamately and legally but have got ripped off by these low life so-called sportsmen.
I often times can't legitamately fish eggs drifted or bobbered, or toss plugs or spinners because these outlaws are illegally plunking their lead and hooks line bumping.

I have taken the time to show and convert a few of them over to fishing.
They will not cross the line and go back once they feel the fish bite and fight them the right way.
But there are others that have no interest in doing it the right and legal way and just want to line bump em.
This is sad and I'm shocked that you choose to defend their low life illegal outlaw methodology.
Sportsfishermen from all over are disgusted with the widespread, blatant outlawing going on.
Why don't we just condone spot lighting of deer also.
Hell...they're only going to die in a few years anyway.

cowlitzfisherman wrote:Dano

The argument that they are just extra hatchery fish is lame.

Wild coho in Olequa?

I don't think that you know what you're talking about! Those "wild" coho that YOU THINK are wild, are fish that have most likely came from the egg box plants of hatchery coho that the FOC have been planting there for well over a decade! What "wild chinook are you referring to? Do you know something that no one else knows?

Most likely came from?
Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about CFM.
There are wild coho that spawn in Olequa.
If you're in question about this, contact Joe Hymer @ Vancover WDFW and enquire.
There are wild coho that have began spawning in the Toutle also since the eruption.
There are wild chinook in both rivers.
There was an article just this morning in the Dailey News that mentioned wild salmon in the Olequa waiting to spawn.
And don't play that game with me as I did say wild and not native.
I am aware of the difference.

Many a good location has been ruined by the flossers, giggers, rippers, snaggers, whatever you prefer to call them.

Really then name them!

Oh come on...I thought you were a fisherman?
Most of the entire hatchery area at the NF Lewis both sides from Snagger's Rock at Cedar Creek to the hatchery itself has been ruined for years.
The tidewater on the Kalama at, below and above the Sportsman's Club is a snag fest and very difficult to fish at times with all the gigger's in there.
Further up at the i-5 and RR bridges is a good spot when the snaggers aren't there.
Kamp Kalama is another ruined spot and a total joke.
Further up behind the McAffey's store at Art's Hole is a great spot until low water conditions when all the snaggers move in for the kill.
And a few other locations inbetween like where I continually kicked them out last year when they attempted to interfere with all of us drifting eggs.

The mouth of the Toutle and also at the confluence of the Green have been ruined by the flossers/snaggers.
Both are excellent places to catch fish legit but not visited by most fishermen anymore due to the out-of-control snagging that takes place at those locations.
Several bank fishing locations in the Castle Rock area of the Cowlitz are often times difficult to fish because of extensive flossing/snagging.

There have been many a spot on the Cow, Toutle and Kalama that I can catch fish legitamately and legally but have got ripped off by these low life so-called sportsmen.

That's pure bull shit and you know it! What makes YOU think that it was "sportsmen" that ripped you off! How could you make such a stupid ass statement when YOU have no facts to support such a ridiculous statement?

Well if you want to consider them "sportsmen" more power to ya.
I consider them what they are. Snaggers!
Not sportsmen or fishermen but low life snaggers.
Outlaws!
They are ripping sporst fishermen off by the illegal take of fish and making some areas non fishable.

I often times can't legitamately fish eggs drifted or bobbered, or toss plugs or spinners because these outlaws are illegally plunking their lead and hooks line bumping.

Any good angler could fish side by side with those fishers and catch there fair share if they really knew how to fish eggs, spinners or plugs!

Are you really that out of touch?
I thought you were a fisherman. I thought you used to be a guide at one time?
It's kind of tough to float a bobber or drift some eggs through an area where the low lifes are illegally plunking lead & corkies.
Ya see the smaller trib's they made it illegal to do so but the low life outlaws still do it on any given day anyway.
Tough to cast plugs through there also when they are line bumping.
I've tried.
I had some low life snagger come in below me on the Kalama tidewater before and when he set the hook, his toughline cut my plug off.
Imagine that!
I was fishing the bank and he then did the same thing to a drift boat anchored on the other side and things got real ugly.
Just because some low life outlaw had to screw it up for us legit fishermen that get the fish to bite and catch them fair.
Try casting spinners, plugs or drifting eggs in that mess that they have at the mouth of the Toutle every year where they are elbow to asshole casting 8-10' leaders armed with double hooked corkies.
Lost cause bro...

But there are others that have no interest in doing it the right and legal way and just want to line bump em. This is sad and I'm shocked that you choose to defend their low life illegal outlaw methodology.

Shocked? Flossing isn't illegal, so why would YOU be shocked? You may think that it is and wish that is....but it's not!

Flossing is actually illegal and very unethical even if guys like yourself condone it.
What does the WDFW regulations say under the definition of snagging?
It says:

Attempting to take fish with hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth.

Plain & simple, as clear as can be, you flossers' are snagging.
Snagging fish in the mouth. Flossing their teeth! The fish isn't voluntarily taking the hooks in its mouth. Illegal in the state of Washington!
Unethical anywhere in the Pacific northwest.
A growing cancer on our rivers.
I suggest you learn how to catch fish.

They issued 55 citations during a single sting opperation last year at the mouth of the Toutle.
Snagging, failure to document their catch, no license/tag, retaining unmarked fish, etc.
Shut it down at night!

That's nothing more then a disgruntled property owner, one that likely had come or had bought his property after the WDFW had already bought that property for public fishing use! When did you build your home there? All of the above violations that you had mentioned had occurred during the daylight hours, so why "shut" it down at night unless YOU just don't want people in your back yards?

Predominately hatchery fish is accurate, not lame.

So, what, you're the first person in WA history to get squeezed by other fishermen? Really? You're blaming it on flossers? They're low-lifes? Wow, words fail me.

You should stick with teaching them, not judging them. Not everyone in life shares your lofty "ethical" perspective when it comes to fishing. I'm not excusing "illegal" behavior, and if they don't abide by the law, the offenders take the risk of a ticket. It doesn't have the same affect on me. I don't expect every fisherman to understand your "emotional" ties to fish, or your so called "ethics". I appreciate the diversity of peoples perspectives, and I don't feel the need to make everyone think or act as I do. Spotlighting deer is somewhat a stretch, don't you think?

I think fishing is complicated enough. Like CFM said, I just don't get why we place additional restrictions on ourselves while we allow commercial harvest with nets and longlines. Any of those additional restrictions ever make it to the FRAM process? No, we are assigned additional mortality because pf illegally caught fish. Meanwhile, ghost nets alone exceed what any snagger could ever accomplish ten fold, and nothing is attributed for them. Hard for me to take snaggers seriously when all the rest of the shit is tolerated, including night netting! You're ok with no enforcement there I guess....